Friday, July 28, 2006

Love him or leave him

Falwell speaks mind - The Clarion-Ledger: "Falwell speaks mind"

Seems like the mention of Rev. Jerry Falwell elicits either disgust or glowing accolades from people. I've never really thought about it much, but I have to admit, based on this story, he gives a great interview. But what do you think about some of his comments?

Sir C....

6 comments:

  1. never politically correct regardless of MM.....

    sir don.....
    Knight of the Golden Horseshoe

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  2. The comments seemed quite reasonable

    Sir Jason

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  3. These didn't raise your eyebrows?

    Ronald Reagan was our first product.

    Think of the implications of that statement...

    Mitt Romney may be a candidate for president. He's a Mormon. If he's pro-life, pro-family, I don't think he'll have any problem getting the support of evangelical Christians.

    If a Muslim candidate came to the forefront in this country for president, and clearly stated that he opposes terrorism and Hezbollah and Hamas, and supports the right of the state of Israel to exist, and then was right on the fiscal, political and social issues, I would have no problems supporting him.


    Again, long-term implications...US no longer a "Christian country"..brought about by Christian support?

    Just seems like the political agenda is so dominant in his thinking it outweighs the Great Commission...or is there no relationship?

    Sir C

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  4. I've got nothing to back this up but.....

    I think Falwell's of two minds and two faces: The face of a pastor and the face of a political movement. The two have some, but not complete, overlap of foundations. Look at the size of his church, university, and missionaries. But these aren't really a factor on the political side.

    He's supporting a Mormon, but most Christians have no idea that Mormons aren't Christians. A political calculation.

    And he's describing a Muslim that not a Muslim. Again political, not spiritual.

    That said (Falwell is of two minds) I'm not supporting his stance. One God, one path to God, only one right way to do things in God's eyes. He's seemed to make a compromise to be a means to an end. A more Christian political climate without using Christian principles to get there.

    He's doing what he's always appeared to do, swap hats. Today's he wearing the Moral Majority hat. Tomorrow the pastor's hat.

    sir don.....
    Knight of the Golden Horseshoe

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  5. These didn't raise your eyebrows?

    Ronald Reagan was our first product.

    Think of the implications of that statement...

    Mitt Romney may be a candidate for president. He's a Mormon. If he's pro-life, pro-family, I don't think he'll have any problem getting the support of evangelical Christians.

    If a Muslim candidate came to the forefront in this country for president, and clearly stated that he opposes terrorism and Hezbollah and Hamas, and supports the right of the state of Israel to exist, and then was right on the fiscal, political and social issues, I would have no problems supporting him.

    Again, long-term implications...US no longer a "Christian country"..brought about by Christian support?

    Just seems like the political agenda is so dominant in his thinking it outweighs the Great Commission...or is there no relationship?
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    Sir Chuck brings up a delicate point. However what Falwell is doing is repeating Martin Luther's point when he said, "I would rather be ruled by a competant Turk then an incompetant Christian." We do not chose mechanics based on their piety but on our estimate of their ability to carry out the job desired of them. The same with a ruler. We desire those virtues that are desireable to the position, such as dilligence, leadership ability, and what is called "common" sense. If Evangelicals refrain from supporting a candidate that is not evangelical, we have a long row to hoe.
    That said the question of whether a serving clergyman like Falwell should be playing that game is questionable-by giving his support there is danger of giving his clerical prestiege, and it is a common error to assume that success in one specialty gives someone a right to speak in another. In Falwell's case that does no harm for he has a considerable reputation for politicizing already.
    Mitt Rommey from what I understand is a jolly good fellow and might make a decent President. The fact that he is a Morman only matters so much. A good portion of the ruling class are guilty of far greater heresies then any Morman would think of. Remember, we are discussing the election of President not Pastor.
    It is true that the US is no longer a Christion country. But there really aren't supposed to be Christian countries, only countries more or less favorable to Christians.
    I suppose the question of whether Falwell should say what he said should really depend on whether he is speaking primarily as "Reverend" or as Jerry Falwell. In this case it seems the later.
    One's political views cannot be completely separated from one's religious ones, neither should they be merged. One might recall that the disaggreements in politics are usually about the priority of different ends and the best means to solve them. These are not necessarily obvious. For instance Democrats when they insist that evangelicals should support them because Jesus said to be kind to the poor, are being mildly presumptuous. Do they think Republicans hate the poor? Aparently some do, but that is a reflection of the strains of faction, not of reality.
    However some political issues are definitely moral issues. Choosing between them is difficult.
    The long and the short of this is that it doesn't raise my eyebrows that Jerry Falwell supports Mitt Rommey. It would raise my eyebrows if he said, "Jesus supports Mitt Rommey", for he would in that case be useing his clerical position to propagandize the Faithful.

    Sir Jason the Longwinded

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  6. Sir Jason said...

    Mitt Rommey from what I understand is a jolly good fellow and might make a decent President. The fact that he is a Morman only matters so much.

    The long and the short of this is that it doesn't raise my eyebrows that Jerry Falwell supports Mitt Rommey.


    Maybe not yours, Sir J, but check out the next post...

    Sir C

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